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Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 9:33 pm Post subject: |
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I have never seen the purple-throated form.
I am about the Maltese name of the plant!
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Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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I swear that the one I saw the first time in my life near my work place (Evan's Building Valletta) was the purple form but there is always a but!
There is a habit that local counsils order the service of a sort of lawn mawning ala Maltija were they remove all plants found along street sides. This plant was a such victim and now its not there
Would it be better that the money is used instead to clean the full trash bins or clean the streets from cosmopolitian waste (paper, bottles, cigaretts, sweet bags, etc) rather than innocent wild plants?!?
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Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 11:49 pm Post subject: |
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I came across the maroon-throted one on the walls of cittadella in gozo last april ...curious but true the maltese zejza is not maroon !!!!
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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 10:51 am Post subject: |
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Errr... its green then ?
I dont feel to go to Citadella for it now, but I keep it in mind. Thanks. Any suggestions Jackpot?
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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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| he Admin- did you cancel my comment to Wolf?
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jackpot Botanical Expert
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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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ok- may be that I cancelled it by myself-
Wolf, I answered (similar as Admin did): the true maltese zejza is not maroon? So they are green? seems that I missed something...
I thought (as far as I noticed) that both, the green and maroon ones are frequent, at least as ornamentals, growing in flowerbeds.
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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 2:45 pm Post subject: |
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"he Admin- did you cancel my comment to Wolf?"
I haven't deleted anything... Maybe it was not sent ?! Dont know. Anyway, can I delete that post (and this )
Do you have some fixed locations / easy sites where can I find the H. albus purple form please ?
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wolf Veteran member
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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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actually though this plant is supposed to be common I rarely come across it - last time I saw a good number was below the second chapel at fawwara but dont remember if they were green or maroon boobies
jackpot - i m not sure they grow them in roundabouts ...usually wild plants in roundabouts are widnet il-bahar though i believe years back they used to grow acanthus mollis in st.anne street floriana centre strip.
about two years back i was at a meeting in paris at french civil aviation headquarters and they grew acanthus mollis in their small garden - i believe i saw it cultivated in the halles area of paris as well.
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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 6:08 pm Post subject: |
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Wolf- my Maltese is extremely limited what is widnet il-bahar ?
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wolf Veteran member
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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 6:27 pm Post subject: |
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maltese rock centaury crassifolia something....my latin is extremely limited
anyway it is the national plant
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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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ahh...ok. the Maltese National Plant! No, Wolf, I suppose that I am able to distinguish both, Palaeocyanus and Hyoscyamus (sounds similar, I agree)-
Admin, here are the 2 types of Hyoscyamus (green one from Triq Marsamxett, across St. Michaels Bastion, interesting site!), and the maroon one from a flowerbed in St. Julians (beside the large parking area at the coast).
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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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I have an unmissable site for the green form (will reveal it in the profile) and already taken 40 photos and ready. but for the maroon no idea. I will try and find it out Friday.
So, St. Julians / large parking site / coast...
Is it the parking near the hotel (Corinthia) or near the parking beside Dragonara casino (parking in an open basement?!) ?
TNX so far
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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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| I have seen it around the fortifications in Valletta and Cottonera, and especially at St. Paul's Bay just to the left of the Tower along the coast. I found a large number there last year.
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Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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Admin: St. Julians, Hotel Alexandra Palace, entrance: take the closest way to the coast (walk down from the entrance, keep left, keep right. Parking area on the left hand sight: flower beds!). Have a nice day and give the barkeeper lady of the palace (Silvana) my best regards, we will be back in about 3 months!!
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Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 4:51 pm Post subject: Purple form found |
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Case solved !!
I found some plants at Citadella, and plenty at its bottom were there are some ruins and disturbed ground at the left hand side (area at west side) but all where without flowers.
Then I found plenty at a Quarry limits to Dwejra (Ghajn Abdul if not mistaken) which where purple form.
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Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 5:01 pm Post subject: Fruit |
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And by the way, for those curious about the fruit form here is a pic (also found in the profile of the plant in the website)
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Posted: Wed Dec 28, 2005 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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It is a very nice flower! I have never seen the purple form (I did not even know it existed before you started talking about it!)
Imma nsomma mohhna fiz-zejziet hawn!
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 12:14 am Post subject: |
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| Admin- pic 25: congratulation! Great pic!
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 10:39 am Post subject: |
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Thank You Jackpot, Have you seen all others (about 50 photos of this plant) in the plant profile ??
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Posted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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sorry, not yet, I was to busy last few days...
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